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		<title>Unification of Java Weeds in a Standards Garden</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Norris</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Building Better Software]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[PHP Web Frameworks are certainly plentiful.  Sun has proven that even attempting to set community standards around the interfaces for frameworks of all types does little to stem the tide of homegrown solutions.  JSR-311 is yet another standard that will try to unify the community.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After my post the other day in relation to building proper web UI architecture in PHP, my brain reverted to thinking about the complexities of web application development in Java and how in spite of standards, the amount of organic homegrown stuff that&#8217;s out there has muddied the water to the extent that it&#8217;s difficult to separate the wheat from the chaffe.  Sun has tried it&#8217;s darndest to follow the elephant and clean up behind it, but there is an increasingly sordid history of great ideas (<a title="Hibernate" href="http://www.hibernate.org" target="_blank">Hibernate</a>, <a title="Spring Framework" href="http://www.springframework.org" target="_blank">Spring</a>) that gained enough community momentum where Sun felt that these innovative platforms and their imitators should be unified behind a single standard.  In fact, it&#8217;s increasingly difficult to find parts of Java that <strong>were</strong> invented by Sun.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been architecting Java solutions for a living in nearly a year now, and last I checked the state of the world was more or less:</p>
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<li>EJB had assimilated Hibernate and other ORM solutions as something now called JPA, which was neccesary and useful to standardize;</li>
<li>EJB had also taken elements of Spring to invert the once ubiquitous <em>locator</em> pattern and adopt dependency injection as the standard for satisfying collaborator relationships.  Of course, the Sun solution aimed to solve specific problems in EJB, and had less interest in solving the more general need for standardization around DI-based application frameworks;</li>
<li>JSF was crashing and burning in the web tier, with Gavin King once again trying to pick up the pieces and simplifying the entire stack through Web Beans.</li>
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<p>So to distill it down &#8211; middleware in Java was actually a pleasurable place to work, and the web tier was still a torture chamber.</p>
<p><em>Note: I&#8217;m leaving Velocity, Struts, Spring, and Tapestry out of the mix here.  That&#8217;s not to say that there isn&#8217;t value in some of these frameworks.  Tapestry was architecturally sound but hinders rapid development.  Struts and Spring both require siginificant configuration, and Velocity is&#8230;like Smarty for PHP.  All of them did so many things differently that it would be difficult to standardize around any one of them.  Additionally, the only one that could arguably be standardized within the exiting JEE stack is Spring &#8211; which attempts to solve many of the problems of front and middle-tier integrations. </em></p>
<p>Per my post from the other day, I really feel that the age of the server-based Web UI framework is dead.  MVC will always be a necessity, but re-usable controls and architectures that try to solve all of the world&#8217;s problems with different delivery mechanisms be it HTML or JSON are at a dead end &#8211; it&#8217;s simply not scalable.  So my attention turned to an <a title="James Stracham on JAX-RS" href="http://macstrac.blogspot.com/2009/01/jax-rs-as-one-web-framework-to-rule.html" target="_blank">article by James Strachan about JSR-311</a> and how he feels it could be the standard to solve much of the worlds problems.  JSR-311 addresses the <a title="JAX-RS, Restful Services for Java" href="http://wikis.sun.com/display/Jersey/Overview+of+JAX-RS+1.0+Features" target="_blank">JAX-RS</a> standard for delivery of RESTful services.  This has long been needed from Sun given the narrow nature of the JAX-WS spec, but James has the right idea.</p>
<p><em>&#8230;Having had a horrid time using Tapestry and Hibernate together on some projects in the past, I&#8217;m kinda over the whole concept of server side UI web frameworks personally (I&#8217;m putting my flame-proof suite on now). I kinda think if you want to do complex rich web UIs, use wizards or complex flows, just use GWT or JavaScript on the client (or Flex/Flash for video or crazy highly graphical widgets) and keep the server side fairly simple and very RESTful&#8230;.</em></p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m not the only crazy one out there.  That&#8217;s comforting.  But is a standard that serves as the foundation for tools to deliver RESTful services the answer?  From an architecture perspective, I&#8217;ve always been of the mindset that RESTful services, particular with its HTTP metaphors is just a DAO pattern exposed as services.  This is a pretty fine grain for me, but as Seam in Java and LINQ in .Net are beginning to prove &#8211; the value of coarse grained business services as provided typically by Session Beans in EJB may be a bit overstated.  So, does it make sense to build web frameworks that are really geared towards SaaS, and allow frameworks like Spring or Velocity or, hell even simple XSLT &#8211; take the helm when more traditional request-response mechanisms are needed?</p>
<p>And even more so, a cursory review of the JAX-RS doesn&#8217;t really present any options for <em>consuming</em> the services produced by implementers.  That&#8217;s somewhat understandable given that the product is typically vanilla XML or JSON or Text or whatever.  When I wrote my own RESTful service implementation using Spring a few years back, I made sure that XSD was attached and available when the service was XML.  This made it easy to write JAXB clients if your consumer was another Java application.  Slowing down development by forcing homogeneous consumers to parse the response as DOM seems like a likely outcome of not having SOME way of addressing this issue.</p>
<p>Taken together, I&#8217;m on board with the idea that JSR-311 could be a good foundation for a web framework that treats the client as being smart, rather than the dumb terminal approach of the past.</p>
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